Comentarios en: TO DO http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/ Version seize Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:44:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 Por: Iva http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-222 Iva Tue, 18 May 2004 16:50:15 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-222 Peter is amazingly cute...and the way he gave us 12 points was something special. I adore Slovenians and I adore Slovenia. That's the only place on Earth where I can feel like I am safe, like no one is going to do anything bad to me. :luv: :luv: :luv: <br /> <br /> And I don't agree with Thilo. Zeljko sung in native language and he was second. If the 12 semi-finalists hadn't voted, he would have won. English is a very nice language, very easy to learn, yet people should keep their indentity in contests such as Eurovision....because, well, every singer/band is/are representing their country. The Greek guy was like Justin Timberlake, for example and 4 guys from different countries were like BSB. That's just not native, not European and not good.<br /> <br /> And don't kill me, I actually liked Michelle's song more than Max's. Kitch is better than 50s style static presentation.<br /> <br /> It's also very rude to split the world into "eastern" and "western", methinks. Peter is amazingly cute…and the way he gave us 12 points was something special. I adore Slovenians and I adore Slovenia. That’s the only place on Earth where I can feel like I am safe, like no one is going to do anything bad to me. :luv: :luv: :luv:

And I don’t agree with Thilo. Zeljko sung in native language and he was second. If the 12 semi-finalists hadn’t voted, he would have won. English is a very nice language, very easy to learn, yet people should keep their indentity in contests such as Eurovision….because, well, every singer/band is/are representing their country. The Greek guy was like Justin Timberlake, for example and 4 guys from different countries were like BSB. That’s just not native, not European and not good.

And don’t kill me, I actually liked Michelle’s song more than Max’s. Kitch is better than 50s style static presentation.

It’s also very rude to split the world into “eastern” and “western”, methinks.

]]> Por: Frauke http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-220 Frauke Mon, 17 May 2004 19:20:08 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-220 Thanks for the links, Calítoe! I've been reading about the topic for an hour now, it is really interesting! :idea: Thanks for the links, Calítoe! I’ve been reading about the topic for an hour now, it is really interesting! :idea:

]]> Por: Patán http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-219 Patán Mon, 17 May 2004 15:20:58 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-219 Agradable debate 8-) Lástima que sea una inculta en el tema y no pueda participar :snooty: <br /> En fin,que te deseo una buena semana y que consigas hacer satisfactoriamente todos tus "to do" ;-) Agradable debate 8-) Lástima que sea una inculta en el tema y no pueda participar :snooty:
En fin,que te deseo una buena semana y que consigas hacer satisfactoriamente todos tus “to do” ;-)

]]> Por: Calítoe.:. http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-218 Calítoe.:. Mon, 17 May 2004 02:39:59 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-218 I've never had so many comments! As I've said before, I like this debate =) <br /> Frauke, I think you are talking about this: http://www.usembassy.de/usa/germanamericans-language.htm<br /> The truth is that the USA has no general official languages. But they fear others so much -specially Spanish 8-)- that some states -like California- have declared English as their official language, but I think those laws are unconstitutional or something like that. <br /> More info here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWCRAWFORD/question.htm I’ve never had so many comments! As I’ve said before, I like this debate =)
Frauke, I think you are talking about this: http://www.usembassy.de/usa/germanamericans-language.htm
The truth is that the USA has no general official languages. But they fear others so much -specially Spanish 8-)- that some states -like California- have declared English as their official language, but I think those laws are unconstitutional or something like that.
More info here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWCRAWFORD/question.htm

]]> Por: Frauke http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-217 Frauke Mon, 17 May 2004 01:43:53 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-217 As for the "English over German" debate in the American colonies: I think this is a widespread rumour. It goes back to some town in Pennsylvania (if I'm not wrong) where only German settlers lived and they tried to make German the official language of that town, but it was decided against. I'll try to find a source. As for the “English over German” debate in the American colonies: I think this is a widespread rumour. It goes back to some town in Pennsylvania (if I’m not wrong) where only German settlers lived and they tried to make German the official language of that town, but it was decided against. I’ll try to find a source.

]]> Por: Frauke http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-216 Frauke Mon, 17 May 2004 01:37:54 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-216 Calítoe's last statement makes me think of some very early musical crime of David Hasselhoff! A long time ago someone thought it was a brilliant idea to make him sing in German :mrgreen: and he didn't even know what he was singing. They wrote down the lyrics in English words that just sounded very much like the German ones! Although the lyrics made perfect sense, it was "slightly" odd listening to! Gives me an idea about how e.g. Max' singing must sound to English native speakers.<br /> <br /> In my opinion just a very small group of songwriters has the ability to write really good German lyrics, but that is just my personal taste. Stefan Raab (writer and producer of Max' song) was asked why he didn't compose a German song and he said he had tried, but it wouldn't work. Apparently it was easier to translate it into Turkish! ;)<br /> Just my two cents about songwriting skills here...<br /> <br /> But in general I really agree with Calítoe on this one! Everyone has their mother tongue, why not use it? I mean, no language is neutral enough to be a lingua franca (apart from Esperanto), because they all carry millenia (at least centuries) of historical baggage around, they are constantly undergoing changes and they always influence your view of the world (I really do believe that, though I cannot come up with an example right now, naturally). Only in your mother tongue you have complete control over what to express, it's the most "natural" thing. But anyway.<br /> <br /> I didn't watch the contest, but I know the German song and I thought it was a bit too "straight". The singing is breathtaking, but the composition itself is mediocre. Everyone relied too much on Max' "averageness" and thought he would make the difference. Such is life. Calítoe’s last statement makes me think of some very early musical crime of David Hasselhoff! A long time ago someone thought it was a brilliant idea to make him sing in German :mrgreen: and he didn’t even know what he was singing. They wrote down the lyrics in English words that just sounded very much like the German ones! Although the lyrics made perfect sense, it was “slightly” odd listening to! Gives me an idea about how e.g. Max’ singing must sound to English native speakers.

In my opinion just a very small group of songwriters has the ability to write really good German lyrics, but that is just my personal taste. Stefan Raab (writer and producer of Max’ song) was asked why he didn’t compose a German song and he said he had tried, but it wouldn’t work. Apparently it was easier to translate it into Turkish! ;)
Just my two cents about songwriting skills here…

But in general I really agree with Calítoe on this one! Everyone has their mother tongue, why not use it? I mean, no language is neutral enough to be a lingua franca (apart from Esperanto), because they all carry millenia (at least centuries) of historical baggage around, they are constantly undergoing changes and they always influence your view of the world (I really do believe that, though I cannot come up with an example right now, naturally). Only in your mother tongue you have complete control over what to express, it’s the most “natural” thing. But anyway.

I didn’t watch the contest, but I know the German song and I thought it was a bit too “straight”. The singing is breathtaking, but the composition itself is mediocre. Everyone relied too much on Max’ “averageness” and thought he would make the difference. Such is life.

]]> Por: Thilo http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-215 Thilo Mon, 17 May 2004 01:22:45 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-215 German was in debate to be the "lingua franca" when English was chosen to be the "world-language"... but because of our past I really understand that we weren't elected. But when I think that that much people would talk German like people are talking English... It would be amaizing... But I think that English ist really simple to learn... There aren't differences between masculinum and femininum and so on. No hay ella y ello y no hay el subjuntivo o 20 otras tiempos grrr :) . And how I have heard, German is really hard to learn.But I agree with you - if all the singers in the ESC would sing in their native language - it would be great!!!! Really. But they don't. Why is this no rule to take part???? It would be so interesting to hear all the other languages in the songs. But hey... Max sang one verse in Turkish :) German would have been nice too but hey... I think that about 10 % of the German Population are Turkish :) German was in debate to be the “lingua franca” when English was chosen to be the “world-language”… but because of our past I really understand that we weren’t elected. But when I think that that much people would talk German like people are talking English… It would be amaizing… But I think that English ist really simple to learn… There aren’t differences between masculinum and femininum and so on. No hay ella y ello y no hay el subjuntivo o 20 otras tiempos grrr :) . And how I have heard, German is really hard to learn.But I agree with you - if all the singers in the ESC would sing in their native language - it would be great!!!! Really. But they don’t. Why is this no rule to take part???? It would be so interesting to hear all the other languages in the songs. But hey… Max sang one verse in Turkish :) German would have been nice too but hey… I think that about 10 % of the German Population are Turkish :)

]]> Por: Calítoe.:. http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-214 Calítoe.:. Sun, 16 May 2004 23:36:53 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-214 Hey, we are having an interesting debate in here! :D<br /> <br /> Well, I hate saying this, but I have been told that my English is really good, but that's not the point: I like multiculturalism, and doing the effort in trying to find a translation and learn how languages in Europe sound. Besides, sometimes it is better to not understand the lyrics. THE UKRANIAN SONG LYRICS WERE PATHETIC!! (That doesn't mean I disliked the song: I did like it, but still, the lyrics are pathetic =)). On the other hand, I've heard the opinion of English native speakers, and they also like hearing other languages in ESC; and not only that: they are a bit fed up of hearing something that sounds like English but who knows what is that. I don't really think that singing in English improves your ranking.<br /> <br /> If we had to chose a lingua franca in Europe that would have to be German: it's the language with more native speakers in Europe :). Hey, we are having an interesting debate in here! :D

Well, I hate saying this, but I have been told that my English is really good, but that’s not the point: I like multiculturalism, and doing the effort in trying to find a translation and learn how languages in Europe sound. Besides, sometimes it is better to not understand the lyrics. THE UKRANIAN SONG LYRICS WERE PATHETIC!! (That doesn’t mean I disliked the song: I did like it, but still, the lyrics are pathetic =)). On the other hand, I’ve heard the opinion of English native speakers, and they also like hearing other languages in ESC; and not only that: they are a bit fed up of hearing something that sounds like English but who knows what is that. I don’t really think that singing in English improves your ranking.

If we had to chose a lingua franca in Europe that would have to be German: it’s the language with more native speakers in Europe :).

]]> Por: Thilo http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-213 Thilo Sun, 16 May 2004 23:30:31 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-213 But isn't English something like the "lingua franca"? If you want to, (and if your English isn't as bad as mine :) ) you can understand every sond that's written in English. But if you want to understand a song wich is sang in Russian or German etc. you have to find a translation. Therefore I think, singing in English is nothing bad at all. But isn’t English something like the “lingua franca”? If you want to, (and if your English isn’t as bad as mine :) ) you can understand every sond that’s written in English. But if you want to understand a song wich is sang in Russian or German etc. you have to find a translation. Therefore I think, singing in English is nothing bad at all.

]]> Por: Calítoe.:. http://www.collectanea.org/2004/05/to-do/#comment-212 Calítoe.:. Sun, 16 May 2004 22:59:42 +0000 http://collectanea.org/ccesp/?p=108#comment-212 lol, thanks Ajda ;)<br /> Anyway, Thilo: I can assure that Spanish people don't mind at all if the song is in English or not: most Spaniards have a handicap when it comes to learn English, it is scientifically proved! :P lol, thanks Ajda ;)
Anyway, Thilo: I can assure that Spanish people don’t mind at all if the song is in English or not: most Spaniards have a handicap when it comes to learn English, it is scientifically proved! :P

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